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Mr. Wilson and his PM Generator

Posted by keelynet on February 21, 2009

With reference to an earlier post here Romanian claims Free Energy Generator, that in turn referenced my meeting with Mr. Wilson in East Texas back in the 1990s, I received this email;

*** wrote:
Jerry: You told me the wilson story back in the 90’s. Here is the problem. I checked and found out there are no permanent magnet generators ever made for 50’s or early 60’s cars. Please prove me wrong. Did the machine you saw use a voltage regulator?

thanks PS, you told me the wilson story in the 90’s you didn’t post it until much later.


Hola ***!

Yes, it was Mr. Wilson who told me that car alternators stopped using permanent magnets around 1964 so he had to scavenge from older cars as his system would not work with excited winding alternators. Refer to The Wilson Machine;

“Mr. Wilson said only generators from vehicles 1964 and BEFORE had PM (permanent magnets) in them so that simply spinning them produced power….he said he had put in more than 2 generators and generated even more power so that his machine could be scaled up as necessary for greater power production, in other words, it was ‘scaleable’.”

You asked if I saw a voltage regulator on Mr. Wilsons machine and I did not. The circuit I saw is drawn up in the article on KeelyNet and copied over to my blog. I think it might be possible with supermagnets to produce excess energy to make a system run as overunity.

I looked up the history of permanent magnet alternators and generators and found some interesting information;

Alternator – “The stronger construction of automotive alternators allows them to use a smaller pulley so as to turn faster than a DC generator, improving output when the engine is idling.

The availability of low-cost solid-state diodes from about 1960 onward allowed car manufacturers to substitute alternators for DC generators.

Automotive alternators use a set of rectifiers (diode bridge) to convert AC to DC. To provide direct current with low ripple, automotive alternators have a three-phase winding. Typical passenger vehicle and light truck alternators use Lundell or claw-pole field construction, where the field north and south poles are all energized by a single winding, with the poles looking rather like fingers of two hands interlocked with each other.

Larger vehicles may have salient-pole alternators similar to larger machines. The automotive alternator is usually belt driven at 2-3 times the engine crankshaft speed. Modern automotive alternators have a voltage regulator built into them. The voltage regulator operates by modulating the small field current in order to produce a constant voltage at the stator output.

The field current is much smaller than the output current of the alternator; for example, a 70-amp alternator may need only 2 amps of field current. The field current is supplied to the rotor windings by slip rings and brushes. The low current and relatively smooth slip rings ensure greater reliability and longer life than that obtained by a DC generator with its commutator and higher current being passed through its brushes.

Very large automotive alternators used on buses, heavy equipment or emergency vehicles may produce 300 amperes. Very old automobiles with minimal lighting and electronic devices may have only a 30 ampere alternator. Typical passenger car and light truck alternators are rated around 50-70 amperes, though higher ratings are becoming more common. Very large automotive alternators may be water-cooled or oil-cooled.”

and this about the;

Electrical Generator – “Early motor vehicles until about the 1960s tended to use DC generators with electromechanical regulators. These have now been replaced by alternators with built-in rectifier circuits, which are less costly and lighter for equivalent output.

Automotive alternators power the electrical systems on the vehicle and recharge the battery after starting. Rated output will typically be in the range 50-100 A at 12 V, depending on the designed electrical load within the vehicle. Some cars now have electrically-powered steering assistance and air conditioning, which places a high load on the electrical system.

Large commercial vehicles are more likely to use 24 V to give sufficient power at the starter motor to turn over a large diesel engine. Vehicle alternators do not use permanent magnets and are typically only 50-60% efficient over a wide speed range.[2]

Motorcycle alternators often use permanent magnet stators made with rare earth magnets, since they can be made smaller and lighter than other types.

Some of the smallest generators commonly found power bicycle lights. These tend to be 0.5 ampere, permanent-magnet alternators supplying 3-6 W at 6 V or 12 V. Being powered by the rider, efficiency is at a premium, so these may incorporate rare-earth magnets and are designed and manufactured with great precision. Nevertheless, the maximum efficiency is only around 80% for the best of these generators – 60% is more typical – due in part to the rolling friction at the tire-generator interface from poor alignment, the small size of the generator, bearing losses and cheap design.”

magneto3108Now it says DC generators (wouldn’t they use permanent magnets?) were used until ‘about the 1960’s’ which correlates with Mr. Wilsons timeframe…I haven’t found any true history that gives times when things changed from permanent magnet versions.

The old magnetos used permanent magnets (good photos) at Magneto History and this;

Magneto Electrical – “In the type known as a shuttle magneto, the engine rotates a coil of wire between the poles of a magnet. In the inductor magneto, the magnet is rotated and the coil remains stationary.”

So magnets have long been used in car electrical systems until modern times which is indicated here;

Auto Electrical System History – “Of the 462 models shown at the 1911 New York Auto Show, only 19 had battery/generator systems, and they all had backup magnetos. Of 119 makes displayed at the 1924 New York Show, 110 had storage battery/generator systems and self-starters.

In 1962, the alternator for civilian vehicles arrived none too soon: The number of electrical devices manufacturers put on cars by then began to strain the limits of the d.c. generator. The first car manufacturer to make the alternator available was GM, followed shortly by Chrysler.”

Again, the 1962 reference with GM being the first to use them and others adapting them as time went on….so looks like Mr. Wilson was RIGHT in saying about 1964 when everyone had changed over to excited winding alternators to produce electricity in automobiles.

BTW, I don’t recall the exact year my dear, late friend Jack Veach told me about the Wilson generator and I drove out to East Texas to visit him and see the setup, but I do remember posting it in emails either on the old KeelyNet BBS prior to moving to the net or at escribe which hosted our discussion group at the time but they are now defunct.

Many of those emails are lost/displaced but one day I’ll scrape them out of the batcave archives under my house, clean them up and make them once again available as they had some very interesting information collected over many years.

Always good to hear from someone out of the past. Hope you are doing well and enjoying life. Thanks for writing. – Nos vemos (seeya!)

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